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Dear Miss Information,
I’ve been with a girl now for a year. She broke up with me in the middle of a double date this past weekend, and I ended up giving her cash for a cab, because I felt driving her home was out of the question. She says it isn’t me, but that she needs time to figure out who she is. I can’t help but think this is a lie, and she’s got eyes for someone else. How can I find out the truth? — Never-Saw-It-Coming
Dear Never Saw It Coming,
WFB, Never Saw It Coming. As in, “Why Fucking Bother?” Let’s say she does have her eye on someone else. In that case, what’s a lie to you is a gentle let-down to her — a non-confrontational way of giving you the boot without any ugly screaming matches, sobfests, or drama. Let’s take it even further and say that she is dating this guy and it started while you were going out. Would that bring you back together again? No way. It’d only drive you further apart.
Apart is where you need to be, Never Saw It Coming. Either because your ex-girlfriend is a lowlife who dumps long-term boyfriends in the middle of bowling dates or because there are some high-level shenanigans going on in this relationship and you are in triple-dog-deep denial. I don’t know which galls me more — the fact that she ditched you while out with your friends or the fact that you paid for her cab fare. You could have stuck it out and driven her home. She could have insisted on paying her own way or hitched a ride with the other couple. I don’t have your whole history — or her side of the evening’s events, for that matter — but the way it was handled speaks of bad decision-making and lack of impulse control. Are you the guy who wants to play savior? Do you get off on making others feel guilty? Is that why, despite her horrid behavior, you shelled out for her transpo? Maybe you’re so moody and volatile that she felt like she had to end it in public, lest you pull a complete and total freakout?
I realize all these explanations put you at fault, Never Saw It Coming, but that’s on purpose. While I’m open to the possibility of your ex being a piteous excuse for a woman, I’d like you to think about how you might have been a factor in what went down. Even if you come to the conclusion that you’re a total victim, lessons can be learned. Once you’ve done some reflecting, then you can ask your ex about the breakup. Keep in mind that infidelity accusations will probably net you a loud hangup after a ten-second discussion.
To be honest, I’d prefer you abstained. Exes have their own identities and agendas that they’re sorting out. They’re a piss-poor source of objectivity, not some mystic Oracle. The search for post-breakup answers starts and ends within ourselves.
Dear Miss Information,
How long is appropriate to wait before having sex with someone new? I’m pretty inexperienced — I’ve only had sex with one guy a few times. It was someone I liked and trusted, but I mostly went for it because I was tired of being a virgin (though, predictably, I still ended up hurt when we stopped seeing each other). I’ve dated casually and hooked up with a few guys since then, but I’ve never felt comfortable enough to have sex.
Recently, I went on a few dates with someone over a couple of months, and we were close to having sex when I put on the brakes. I liked him, but I didn’t quite feel the chemistry — we spent the night cuddling and talking instead. After that, though, he never called, and I’m not sure if I dodged a bullet. I would’ve been devastated if we had sex and he then didn’t call, but maybe I drove him away? What do you think? After how long (three dates? three weeks? three months?) would a reasonable person start to question whether I’m still worth pursuing? — Call Me Old-Fashioned
Dear Call Me Old-Fashioned,
I’ve always found it interesting how the less sex we have, the more we let it color our every interaction and thought. It becomes the reason why relationships succeed or fail, when the truth is it’s just one drop in the big, constantly-leaking, heart-shaped bucket.
Take, for example, this first guy. You say you “ended up hurt” when you stopped seeing each other. As opposed to what? Girlishly exuberant? Frolicsome? No one feels good coming out of a breakup. Sure, the loss of your virginity might have been a contributing factor, but you would’ve been bummed out even if you hadn’t given up the goods.
This second situation has even less to do with sex than the first. You go on a few dates with minimal chemistry, then wonder if you somehow “drove him away” by not doing the dirty. Here’s another explanation: a couple of outings over a couple of months doesn’t indicate much interest on either of your parts. To think that this guy is not picking up on your lack of attraction would be foolish. We may use iPhones, buy soy milk, and drive hybrids, but at base-level we’re all just a bunch of hormonally-driven hairy mammals. My guess is he was feeling so-so about you as well, either because he picked up on your ambivalence or he had some of his own. He might have called you if you had sex, but he might not have, either.
In your question, you throw out a tidy series of numbers, but this is more of an essay question than a multiple choice. My advice is: do your homework (i.e., get to know someone); keep the bullshit to a minimum (i.e., know what your position is and communicate it clearly); and hope the odds are in your favor (i.e., love is an inexact science).
Readers, how long do you wait before sleeping with someone? Do you have a set rule that you always follow, or does it vary from person to person?
If the chemistry and moment is there, fucking can be extremely natural. I never let myself feel inhibited when it comes down to doing the dirty.
In regards to how long I wait until I have sex while dating a new person, I think it should be based on comfort level and how you feel about the person. I have known people who have sex on the first date or wait until their wedding night. There shouldn’t be a set time or number of dates. Like Erin said, do your homework, communicate, and if you find this person is worthy then go for it.
I don’t think there any hard and fast rules on how long you wait before you sleep with someone, though it is generally a good idea not to on the first date! That said, whether you sleep with them or not, men will generally decide if they want to see you again based on how much they like and find you attractive. Having sex with them probably won’t make much difference, because agendas are often set much earlier than the first time you do it. True, it can change things - you might discover it is rubbish (as in no chemistry, rather than simply awkward, which is pretty normal the first time) between the sheets which might then inform both of your decisions, but you’d have to find out sooner or later right? Women are not sluts because they give it up quickly - that’s a vile rumor put about by ridiculous men - but they might want to think about how vulnerable they might feel after having sex with a guy they don’t wholly trust yet. If it feels right, then usually it is.
To Never Saw it Coming. It doesn’t really matter why she broke up with you in the end, for whatever reason she wasn’t comfortable with your relationship. It may well be she is telling the truth about needing time etc, but it may well be a kinder way of letting you down than saying, ‘I am not really into you and I want to end this’ or ‘I like/have started seeing someone else’. But the fact is she’s done it. I can’t think why on earth you payed for her cab, but that’s by the by. Forget her, forget trying to figure out why she did or said this or that. It doesn’t matter…what matters is your moving on and taking her withdrawal at face value, and at all costs not letting your self esteem get dragged away with her.
Wait as long as you want, and a guy who is on your wavelength will be fine with it - for example, if you require a very long getting-to-know-you period before you get intimate, then you should be dating guys who value that trait in a woman. (Plenty do). I on the other hand like to go for it on the second date, because I need to establish chemistry first and foremost. A lot of guys don’t respect that about me, but all my long term relationships have started out with sex right away, so it obviously works for some. Just remember that whether you wait one date or two years, there’s never a guaruntee against getting hurt. Getting hurt is an essential part of dating, and no one escapes it - neither the freaks, nor the prudes.
I’ve waited as little as 25 minutes and as long as 6 months..it really depends on the person.
I love your column, but I question your advice for “Call Me Old-Fashioned.” I think it’s reasonable to ask for ballpark figures on how a “Serious Relationship” should develop, particularly if you yourself are sexually inexperienced. As a man in his mid twenties, I know that I expect to hook-up with a prospective partner within a month after I begin flirting– two weeks is ideal. More than that and I start to get the feeling that maybe we’re “just friends.” From there, I’m willing to wait a few weeks– or even a couple of months, depending on my partner’s needs– before proceeding to the next level. But if there’s an extended delay, it’s important that my partner communicate why. Otherwise, our chemistry will get screwed up along the way. Discussions amongst my friends have led me to believe that this is fairly standard for young people– or at least young men– moving towards committed relationships. Would your other readers agree?
I don’t have set rules on when I have sex with someone new- a lot of factors come into that decision. What’s the situation? How much do I like him? What am I looking for at the moment- relationship, casual sex? Did I shave today? Have I (and them) been tested recently? When things click, then I go for it whether it be first date or 4th month.
Not because I’m trying to shoot for this number, but due to getting to know someone, strong attraction, and clockwork menstruation cycles, I usually wait about three weeks before getting down with someone I’m really attracted to and want to have a relationship with.
i’m not particularly in it for the relationship stuff, i like being physical/intimate with people i care about. it just happens when it happens. the night we meet or after we’ve been friends for 3 years. and octopus has a point… sometimes my cycle decides for me!
3 dates. Be that over 3 days, weeks or months, my rule is: if you’ve had 3 successful dates, then it’s time to see if you’re sexually compatible also.
I usually wait until we’ve agreed to be exclusive. That sounds prudish to a lot of people, but it’s not the same as waiting until we’re at the pizza-and-blockbuster-Saturdays stage. I just feel that with all the STDs out there (not to mention the added emotional vulnerability that can come with sex), it’s a wiser choice to wait until I know I’m the only person the guy is sleeping with.
Just speaking for my male self here: if a girl hasn’t slept with me by the third date - forth outside, I won’t try to date her again. -Three dates without sex doesn’t make her frigid and I hope it doesn’t make me some lothario for expecting it. It’s just that there either is chemistry or there isn’t…
‘Course then again, here I am tonight reading about dating instead of actually having one…
Hmmm, this site was definitely begging for a redesign worthy of its content, but I’m not sure this is quite it. Definitely an improvement, but still not enough. There are much better comment engines Nerve should be looking into using. This one is just a different look with the same limited functionality. Back to the drawing board.
So when you go to work for a company you have to prove your worthiness for benefits i.e. healthcare 401k etc. The boss has to decide in your probationary period are you worthy, do you do what you say your going to do and so on. Now why would you give your best benefit before the 3 month time? You don’t know a guy well enough at three dates. If he loses interest in the 3 months then he wasn’t worth your time anyway. This is great advice for if you want a long term committed relationship. However if you just want to have fun, explore your sexuality etc. then by all means forget what I just said and get at it right away. The sooner the better
If you don’t feel the chemistry, don’t have the sex. If he takes this as a blow to his pride and moves on, which he might, it would be better than you pity fucking him and feeling icky after.
I don’t have a specific time frame for first time sex. I completely depends on how often two people see each other and how comfortable you are. My only rules are NEVER on the first date and NEVER when you have been drinking.
I have 3 date rule… really after the 3rd date and it’s not happening forget about it.
I have a couple of my own rules that I stick to, if I really like her and want a chance at a relationship.
I never have sex on the first date - no matter what. I always make sure she knows I want her though. The last thing you want is to mis-communicate rejection.
It has to be special - the right place, good vibes, feeling energetic and excited about it, and especially it has to be all night. If we can’t soak up the afterglow and fall asleep together, I’d rather wait for the right circumstances.
Having sex for the first time is going to set a bond between you (emotionally and chemically!) and if you want to make it count then waiting for the right time really does matter.
That said, if the sexual tension becomes the dominating vibe of your time together (which can really get in the way of developing some emotional closeness, I find), you can release some of that by doing all sorts of things short of intercourse!
Third base is a nice place to be. ;-P
it truly varies from person to person with me. I’ve waited 4months and have also had sex the first day….so for me it depends on chemistry. I can say however that the men I’ve waited on have ended up being longer term relationships and more fulfilling overall.